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EMF tries two Champions already in 2011
26 Jan 2011 at 11:57 | Published by: Hans | Views: 10745 | News search 
 The EMF Board has published their minutes from the Board meeting held the 20-21st November last year in Berlin. In this protocol some interesting decision was made.
Maybe most interesting is the statement about that a Modus with two Champions shall be tested already in 2011 on the SEC in Kunzell, Germany. The idea is to decrease the number of team rounds to two days and play an individual stroke play champions on Friday. Then a KO-final is played on Saturday.
EMF also opposes the WMF directions on using the BA-software for International Championships. In the protocol is says that the BA software shall not be mandatory on EMF organized competitions and instead the software used can be decided by the Sport Director of EMF.
From the protocol it's also stated that the 2012 European Championships organizers in Porto seems to have second thoughts about arranging the Nations Cup the same year. They are asking EMF for permissions to arrange another international tournament like the one held in Predazzo last year.
» Read the protocol
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Comments (18)
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 phil (Philippe Lheritier) |
08 Feb 2011 at 13:35 | Hi
I'm french and to play minigolf, it's really not a chance to be french. Of course, I dont need to perform very well to be in the french minigolf team, but at the same time, it's really not easy to find 7 players with a correct level to play the WC in august. You will never see a french team to NC or EC because we dont have enough money to pay 3 international tournaments per year.
So, I dont have solutions to improve the participation in EC or NC but I'm sure that the problem is only money, and if WMF arrive to find sponsor for minigolf, you will see in the future better teams coming from country as France, Portugal, Norway, ...
Philippe |
 JJM (John Mittler) |
31 Jan 2011 at 16:17 | F and E courses are easy to adjust 1 week before the tournament, so much that any practice before this has practically no value.
Beton courses are more difficult to pump, all you can do is adjust the walls somehow. |
 bfree4life (Günter Inmann) |
31 Jan 2011 at 15:44 | @ JJM:
in my opinion it would be the best as 2009 in Odense. But the organisation, full costs and effort for realizing such competitions in such a high level as Odense are much higher than on existing courses. i dont think that this can be realized in future. but never say never...
and your thoughts about mixed nationalteams is right. i agree in all points...
As i wrote before my first thought about mixed teams was mixed couple teams additional to the current categories. and not big mixed teams with 6 or more players... |
JJM (John Mittler) |
29 Jan 2011 at 16:09 | Other economical factors are:
- Poor or small minigolf countries don't have money to send players abroad twice a year. If something else than NC is played in May, it should also be in some other place than the August competition, so rich countries will not get an advantage in August just because they had money to send players to the same course in May.
- Limited practice days, like in Odense 2009, save money and holidays from the players. |
 leme (Leif Meitilberg) |
29 Jan 2011 at 15:10 | Another thing that must be considered is the economic factor.
By reducing the EC / WC to 3 days it will be possible to "save" a day of travel expence.
Precisely the economy has been a major issue in planning the EC / WC with WMF.
Personally, I think that the idea of match play instead of NC is excellent.
It will satisfy those who want match play.
NC dates will again become attractive (compared to today).
EC / WC will be "cleaner" in tournament shape.
It will be possible to announce winners in both match play in stroke play.
EC / WC will be less dependent on the weather on the last play day.
EC / WC can be reduced by at least 1 day (maybe 2 if you take away a training session).
Chance of major media attention as there are 2 separate individual championships played on separate time.
Opportunity to involve more countries in arranging of the various championships.
The list of possibilities is guaranteed longer.
I hope the minigolf world is ready to try new modes.
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JJM (John Mittler) |
28 Jan 2011 at 19:29 | If you _require_ mixed teams to have women, you bury the chances of many countries that have a good men's team but nothing top-class in women.
If you _allow_ but don't require women in mixed teams, nearly all teams will be men only.
The third option is to use format 5 + 2 players etc, where no more than 5 men are allowed in team, and 5 best rounds of the 5 (+ 2) playes are counted. Then any women in the team are better than no women at all in the team. Then people run 90 minutes after the ball and in the end, Germany wins.
PS: This discussion is about the playing modus, but really no country in the world comes to a competition or stays away because of the playing modus. Some countries come ro stay away when the game is E, B, F or adventure golf. |
bfree4life (Günter Inmann) |
28 Jan 2011 at 14:19 | @ Ernst-Jan:
its interesting thought about the mixed teams for the EC. cause in MANY other countries there are mixed teams! also in SVK and CZ, i think.
But the mixed team i proposed here, was just a couple mixed team. one guy and one woman from every country. or maybe maximum 3 couples per country in a mixed competition, maybe just strokeplay, maybe with changing on every lane, dont matter... I think there would be MANY of mixed couples for a EC/WC. and its also a chance for the countries which dont have enough players for a female/male team. think about CZ last year in Predazzo. they had just 2 female and 5 male players. so with mixed national teams, they could have one big national team and also 2 couple mixed teams. I think this could be big motivation for players as Jana ( Nakladalova ), Dagmar ( Hirschmannova ), Mirva ( Juhola ) or other good female players from other countries i didnt count now... |
 Knikjanus (Ernst-Jan Meijer) |
28 Jan 2011 at 13:47 | Thanks for the support so far ;)
A lot of the nations have busy schedules during the summer and surrounding months, and the weekend of the NC is good moment during the season in my opinion for such a competition. You can play the championship on the courses were in august also the strokeplay championships will be held. But just as good you can play it somewhere else I think.. Maybe even in the UK on a MOS-system?
Paolo mentioned something extra, which I did not write down immediately. I agree that this could be more attractive for smaller countries, which have just a few good players, who normally have to struggle through the teamcompetition days during the current EC/WC, because they are individual participators.
And this can still be a good 'test'match for upcoming or younger players. As national coach you can send 3 experienced players and 2 'new' players for example. The KO-system gives oppurtinities for a lot of (subtop) players.
Günter his idea for other titles / competitions should also be given a thought by technical committees of the EMF/WMF. Especially the mixed teams can be interesting, why not start with this during the EC for clubteams in october? In The Netherlands and Sweden for example it's possible to become national teamchampion and 'win' the right to start at the EC, but you can play in de national competition with mixed teams and internationally you can't! That can be a reason that the team attending the EC is maybe weaker than the team that became the champion.
I personally would not mind if the EC for ladies teams (sorry ladies ;) would dissapear from the calender, and that the (better) female players can join the clubteams which now must exist out of 6/7 male players.
The NC is also played with mixed teams at the moment, isn't it? If the NC will dissapear, take the mixed teams option towards the EC for clubteams. If a team wants to play with 6 male or female players so what? I don't see the problem in minigolf.. |
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28 Jan 2011 at 12:08 | Ernst-Jan's idea is really interesting. I don't see any big interest in Nations' Cup in the last years. A "individual matchplay championship" would be surely interesting to replace NC. It could offer a bigger participation also from smaller countries, which could be good also for organizers (the number of participants of NC in the last year has been often really poor).
The problem of the new program with 2 days team + 1 day ind. strokeplay + 1 day ind. matchplay is also that it's a very "stressed" program. If we have bad weather conditions during one or more days (and that happens quite often), it could be really difficult to complete the program.
@ Gü
Of course we can create so many titles, just thinking about them. What I don't like is that they are mixed all together in the same event. In swimming you can run 100m, 200m, 4x200 relay in freestyle, but each race is totally independent from the others. With this formula we would have a strokeplay tournament that comes from the team tournament, and a matchplay tournament that comes from the strokeplay ranking. If we have to celebrate different champions, we also have to create totally different and independent tournaments. And surely the strokeplay is the most important way to play minigolf, so we could make more than one title per year, but the strokeplay one should never miss. So I really think Ernst-Jan idea could be the best solution of the problem. |
bfree4life (Günter Inmann) |
28 Jan 2011 at 11:12 | @ Ernst-Jan:
its an interesting idea. i love it to try new ways for competitions.
and btw, in austria you have a big advantage, if you are nr 1 of ranking list! so, we still have a sense for this... :-)
and @ paolo: maybe you are right, there is no technical difference. but whats the problem to have 2 world champions every 2nd year? for example look at shooting or swimming. there is also no technical difference if they swim in delphin style 50m, 100m or 200m. also in shooting. And they have soooo many chances to win titles. we always had just one in single competitions!
maybe i have another idea or proposal. in every country we play many different competitions. we have 24h marathons, 10 rounds marathons, mixed categories, team competitions with cup modus, partnercompetitions where you can correct 7 lanes per round ( maybe just in austria and switzerland ). etc...
why cant we have such other categories or competitions? for example a mixed title? about modus we have to think, but why not? |
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