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Sweden 2 wins U23-Challenge


Sweden 13 Mar 2011 at 12:37 | Published by: Hans | Views: 6791 | News search

Sweden 2 wins U23-Challenge
John Widlert could give Sweden 2 the U23-Challenge victory by an ace on the last lane  (Photo by Mats Wallin 2011)

After yesterdays qualifications groups it was today time for the semifinals. In the first semifinal Sweden 1 was meeting Finland and won with 26-16. In the second semifinal Sweden 2 was meeting Germany 1 and won with 26-12. So after two quite easy Swedish victories in the semifinals it was time for an all-Swedish final.

In the match of third price it was much tighter but in the end Germany could secure the 3rd place by beating Finland with 22-20. In the other matches for 5-8 position Switzerland 1 won the match for 5th place over Austria 1.

In the final it was a close match all the way with quite furious play from the beginning. Filip Svensson in Sweden 1 started of the final with 7 straight aces and Thomas Öberg in Sweden 2 stared with 6 aces in the 8 first lanes. But all in the entire match was very tight all the way to the end. With 6 lanes to go it was 16-16 in the match. With 3 lanes to go it was 17-17. And with only one lane to go it was 18-18.

John Widlert of Sweden 2 aced and Filip Svenson made a two giving Sweden 2 the final victory by 19-18.

Best individually today was again Sweden 2:s staring-man Derice Shumilov Susoho with 55 strokes. He was far better than anyone else today. Best single round was made today by Germanys Sascha Spreier with a 25 round.

In total the best individuals were:

Women
1. Karin Heschl
2. Maja Wicki
3. Frida Elmdahl


Men
1. Derice Shomilov Susoho
2. Filip Svensson
3. Tomas Öberg

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Austria bfree4life (Günter Inmann)

17 Mar 2011 at 14:58
hey john

dont care about past! change things for future.
if you know the real reason what happened in past, make analysis and act to the future, not just react if there will have happened anything... you told one point what happened, so you have one point of "futurepuzzle" to change and think about... :-)

Denmark MadsDK (Mads Nørregaard)

17 Mar 2011 at 14:44
You are a very positive man, mr Mittler. ^^

Finland JJM (John Mittler)

17 Mar 2011 at 06:18
We have seen many players in Finland who were simply amazing at 14 years, then lost their touch during the growth spurt at 15 - 16 years, and then tried to find back their form at 17 - 18 years. (And then quit playing at 19 years.)

Sweden Mattias (Mattias Brännström)

16 Mar 2011 at 18:34
Just want to indeed with all this superlativs about Derice! I was asked to play this tournament, but I wasnt able to do it because a US trip.
I was happy when i saw that Derice got my place instead.

Portugal Marreco (Rui Garcia)

16 Mar 2011 at 15:22

Sweden Anson (Anders Nilsson)

16 Mar 2011 at 10:20
@ Always nice to have a reader....

Playing for lanes in KO-play or just picking 9 lanes of 18....Is like if bowling only should count strikes...or just play five fields in every round....

If we should have KO-play at all we have to play 18 lanes. And if we should have two champions we also should have two different contests. Not one where you qualifie for the other. Sooner or later we will have a champion that win both competitions....I was champion. Twice...hooray...

The reasons for playing in these modes are to get more mediaexposure. My question was: has that happened? Have we got more mediaexposure?

We can still play competitions with KO, just aces, lanes or whatever but I am not sure that we have to do it on championship level.

We are messing with the basics in our sport and without any gain from media.

We aim for something that we do not reach. The prize we pay is that
there is no assurance that we will see the best player as champion.

We also disqualifies tactics like laying up on the plateau or playing side on the drop. If my opponent aces I have to play for the same result.

Why change something that works?




Finland HansIII (Pasi Aho)

16 Mar 2011 at 09:00
@ Anders: I do read your postings in the Swedish forum and know that it sometimes can be hard to convince you with other opinions. ;-) I of course respect yours too, but I'll give it a try.

I think you are bringing in some topics which were not related to the core issue, but since you spoke to me, I'll give my comment. To say that the various playing systems (or new courses) have been the reason for numbers of players sinking is quite dared. I tend to believe it started a bit before... Has anyone by the way thought about that sinking numbers of participants in outdoor competitions may be affected by the fact that in many countries there are now so many indoor competitions in the winter? One does not have to wait 8 months after September to be able to play minigolf again, as was the case 20 years ago.

Regarding these technical aids (which I guess were the original issue) like mobile scorekeeping, it has been seen often and thoroughly that bringing media and spectators to minigolf tournaments is not easy. Now, if we managed that, they'd certainly need a result service where they can follow the live situation, e.g. via their own mobiles phones. If not, the next best option is to offer this information to those sitting at their computers and following the play there or just seeking information about results, e.g. for the media.

I for one do not believe that any non-minigolfer occasionally following a minigolf tournament. would have huge problems to understand the system which was used at U23, for example. For one who is not involved in minigolf the series over 18 lanes may even not be as holy as for you.

My minigolf is not only series or 18 lanes, even though a big part of my season consists of those and I love that as well. Yours may well be and that is fine to me. All the others may make their own decisions. Nobody forces local clubs to use "complicated" systems and the local/national competitions are more often those where new players get their contacts with competitive minigolf. Funnily though, special modes such as teamgolfs, marathons, mixed etc. seem to be quite popular too.

Sweden Anson (Anders Nilsson)

16 Mar 2011 at 06:51

@John and Pasi: Perhaps it is time to raise the question "what is it that create all the technical problems in our sport?"

And perhaps the answer isn´t found in Bangolf Arena or the finnish program. Perhaps the truth lies in the fact that we are messing with the fundamental bases of our sport.

Minigolf is played over several series with 18 lanes played in each.

Two champions in one comepetition. KO-play with 9 lanes on each soil...winning lanes on felt (with ridiculous results like 10-3 or 4-11) is perhaps not the best way of finding a new audience or new players.

Perhaps it is now possible to see all the advantages from the new way of playing minigolf? We have been playing it like that for a couple of years now. Did we get more mediacoverage? More new players running to our sport?

Or didn´t we?

Perhaps "The emperors new clothes" didn´t fit?

Finland HansIII (Pasi Aho)

15 Mar 2011 at 21:52
Thank God in Eskilstuna the office did keep pen-and-paper scoreboard on the individual round scores on Sunday and so the trophies went to right players after six rounds. ;-)

I would also like to thank the organisers, Peter G, Bengt, Peter B., Janne and all others who made this competition happen and work so well. For me it was the first U23 and it was extremely interesting on course and very nice off the course as always in Eskilstuna. Crowned by the good performance of my team, of course.

Could not agree more with C-J about Derice. Why pick a player to U23 who hasn't even made his international debut in youth teams if you have plenty of choices? Nevertheless it was a joy to see Derice "tjossa" in those balls and no doubt we'll here lots more of that in Naturns! How he enjoys this game is something we all could learn from!

Finland JJM (John Mittler)

15 Mar 2011 at 21:41
Better late than never...

A true story: at the Closing Ceremony of Nations Cup 2008 in Tampere, we gave the best player´s prize to Manfred Lindmayr or someone else, I don´t remember exactly. Some days later we noticed that there was a mistake in the scorekeeping program, and the best player was actually Walter Erlbruch. :-) The tournament leader sent his apologies to Germany by e-mail, but the prize stayed forever in Austria I think.

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